The baseball fans where critical and thought that the Knickerbockers club and Cartwright should be credited for making those rules. For the first several years of their existence, the Knickerbockers usually played with a catcher, pitcher, and three outfielders and there were 8 players. In other games they used 9, 10 or even 12 players. The position of shortstop was not solidified until 1849, when it was established as relaying throws from the outfield to the infield. At the time the ball was so light it was hard to throw it all the way in from the outfield. In 1857 a couple of ball players came up with only nine innings and up but generally the first team to score21 runs was the