In conversation with Telemachus, the king of Sparta, Menelaus, says “Odysseus”. His destiny/suffering, and mine the endless pain/of missing him. We do not even know if he is still alive.” (Homer, 155, 106-109) In saying this, we can see that Menelaus claims to not know if Odysseus ever made it out of the Trojan War. Here, the loss Telemachus is feeling is the loss of his father. The more Telemachus hears about the heroics of his father, the more he feels as though he didn’t make it out of the Trojan War. While Telemachus is learning more about the Trojan War from neighboring kings, Odysseus is making his way across the ocean with his crew. Odysseus’s men were losing faith in Odysseus with every new place they visited. The men believed that Odysseus was not being completely honest with them and was withholding a grand fortune. In discussion with the other men, one of the crew members stated, “It seems everyone loves this man/ and honors him, in every place we sail to./ He also has loot from sacking Troy./We shared the journey home with him, yet we come/ back home with empty hands.” (Homer, 260,